[philmont] Tax deductions for a Philmont trip?

From: James H. Moss <bsa.rec.law_at_gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:27:00 -0700

You should find a CPA. Your interpretation is not correct and paying the
Troop to get a tax deduction is a criminal act.

 

Jim Moss, JD

 

From: philmont_at_troop47.com [mailto:philmont_at_troop47.com] On Behalf Of John &
Kim Day
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:59 AM
To: Jim Moss
Subject: [philmont] Tax deductions for a Philmont trip?

 

After reading pub 526 for hours a few years ago, I actually concluded that
all expenses to get there and back were deductible, but the Philmont
(Northern Tier, Sea Base) fee itself was not. As I recall, there was one
sentance I found in there that convinced me that this was the case. Although
I will now never remember what it was, it was something about if I derived
pleasure from the actual activity itself, then that was not deductible even
if I was "on duty". I was actually dealing with two situations - BSA trip
and chaperone for the high school band for a trip to London. Of course I am
sure I err'ed on the conservative side since I do not use a tax
professional. While I am not a tax professional, I am 100% confident that
for all adults performing in a chaperone role that the travel costs there
and back are deductible. As far as the actual Philmont fee, this is just my
opinion.

 

By the way, here was my approach to deal with the payments over time issue
since I was not deducting the actual Philmont fee. We make our payments to
the troop and then the troop pays all the bills. I assumed all of my
payments in the prior year were the Philmont fee, and all of my payments to
the troop for travel expenses were then in the same year that we traveled.

 

John Day

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Underwood <mailto:wunder_at_wunderwood.org>

To: philmont List Member <mailto:johnandkim_at_smartneighborhood.net>

Cc: Rich Edmondson <mailto:rich.edmondson_at_polarissensor.com>

Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:50 AM

Subject: [philmont] Tax deductions for a Philmont trip?

 

Read the section on "Travel" on page 5. In particular, "Even if you enjoy
the trip, you can take a charitable contribution deduction for your travel
expenses if you are on duty in a genuine and substantial sense throughout
the trip." For Philmont, the trek expenses are food, lodging, etc., that is,
travel expenses. Example 1 is specifically about a camping trip.

 

Even if there are more than two advisors, all the advisors are on duty.

 

Philmont is a "supported trek", similar to a supported bicycle tour. In my
opinion, the entire trek fee is a travel expense. You are traveling in the
wilderness for 11 days. The trek fee is the cost of that travel.

 

Adult travel expenses for shakedowns (or any troop trip) are just as
deductible as Philmont.

 

I am not a tax advisor.

 

wunder

Walter Underwood

Venture ASM

Troop 14, Palo Alto

Philmont 2010 624-X

 

On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 PM, jack_thornton_at_yahoo.com wrote:





It is an interesting publication, but still seems a little unclear to me.
When listing allowable and non-allowable expenses it says nothing about
participation fees.

Clearly, it seems to say airfare/train/gas and hotel is allowable. Is the
trek fee deductible? And when? Since a good portion are due the prior
year, when is it deductible?

Not necessarily trying to discourage people from using this. Just suggesting
you use a competent tax professional. Unless there is a more complete
example somewhere?

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From: rich.edmondson_at_polarissensor.com
To: philmont List Member <jack_thornton_at_yahoo.com>
Cc: Rich Edmondson <rich.edmondson_at_polarissensor.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2012 03:43:31 GMT+00:00
Subject: [philmont] Tax deductions for a Philmont trip?

Page 5 of Publication 526, Travel Expenses, example 1 says that if you
were the troop leader and provided adult supervision during the entire
trip that you can deduct your expenses. Certainly with the BSA 2 deep
requirement it could be argued that at least 2 adults per crew could claim
the entire cost of a Philmont trip from their taxes.

> You might check out Publication 526 on the IRS website. It has
> information
> about charitable deducts for trips etc.
>
> Roy Fisher
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: philmont_at_troop47.com [mailto:philmont_at_troop47.com] On Behalf Of
> Donald
> Roberts
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:20 PM
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> For the adult leader, it should be virtually all. For the youth, none.
> Donald Roberts
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> From: Liz Fallin
> Casting wildly about here, and hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I
> will jump in. Would there be any portion of a Philmont trek (airfare,
> meals, lodging, camp fees, etc.) that might be deductible as a charitable
> expense?
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